CLAIM BANKMAN.BIZ - HOTDOG WATER - @bank_man

[s3ph1r0thXx]

I would much rather he be banned and not scam anyone else than accept a 20% refund.

Maybe I'm blind as fuck, but I can't see any logs here about what you agreed on before the deal. Although this is the main point! So if all the terms of the deal that the plaintiff writes about were not agreed upon, can there be any claims? In this case, it's the plaintiff's mistake. So that it doesn't happen again, everything needs to be clarified before the deal. It's better to do through the Escrow service.

This is a fair point. It was brief, but enough for the seller to say the account would be aged 3-4 months and that the ID used would be the same for each bank and square. That was not what was provided and I immediately took issue with it at the time it was delivered, for this specific reason. I agree that it was stupid to do any deal without escrow. But the level of acceptance that this place is just a bunch of scammers is super disappointing. I get it, but I respect @ncondamove for trying and the forum for even monitoring a place like arbitration claims.

Screen of the seller pitching the product as this:

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

@s3ph1r0thXx it's you are the only local llama here and fat troll who behaves like a kid and then asks 80% refund for completely working stuff he bought and completely stuff that was stated on the website

I don't see any point to refund 80% !!!!! for working combo that was provided, at the certain timeframe, with no delays. Accounts were working, customer received exactly what he ordered.

The arbitration judge has no experience with such decisions and therefore made a decision not based on facts, but based on bias and, possibly, personal hostility

Look at how decisions are made on forum.exploit.in, how their arbitration process is - this is what we need to strive for and how the arbitration process should proceed, since their arbitration judges are professionals in their field and appeal to facts, and do not make decisions because they wanted to. I'm not advertisitng exploit here, I'm just saying what arbitration process should be.

I have known @CrdPro for a long time, since about 2020 I bought advertising from him in large volumes, when the forum was just starting to grow. Now the forum has grown and the forum needed staff - arbitration judges, support, and so on.

However, if the arbitration judges make a decision not based on facts, but based on who knows what - personal hostility, unwillingness to understand arbitration, affiliation with the buyer - the forum will go down to complete shit

If we are talking about something serious - there is such a process as an appeal, but since it is not yet established on crdpro.cc - I am writing personally to crdpro so that he studies this case and tries to make an adequate decision

80% here is complete nonsense, I do not think that the buyer should receive more then 20% (and even this % is highly doubted), everything that was stated, everything was delivered, proofs with screenshots were provided, a reference from the sales site bankman.biz was provided

@ncondamove you need to turn off personal hostility and be guided by facts, otherwise you will be banned as a specialist who works non-objectively, and now you work completely non-objectively and roll the forum into complete crap

llama just an AI bro, I used it to change the text to something that was "as cordial as possible". You have made a claim that you are a stone that may crack or something so I was just doing my best to take any hostility I may be harboring out of the equation(hats off for the poetry it's a welcome reprieve). I just have a couple follow up questions:

You claim to have purchased advertising since 2020. Your account was opened on June 12 of this year. So maybe you're mistaken, or maybe this isn't the first time you've had this happen?

You claim you paid for "large volumes of advertising", and this is subjective opinion here, but why would you ever risk the flow of traffic from that advertisement by responding to this claim in the manner that you have? Just for me it doesn't make any sense at all.

You claim that the arbitration process on other forums is superior to crdpro for a number of reasons. Is this based on your experience / involvement with disputes on that forum as well?

You claim that if the arbitration process is based on [the judge's] personal hostility, affiliation with [me] "the forum will go down to complete shit". Do you think it's possible that if vendors don't respond to customers and are endorsed despite customer complaints (whether they're valid or not) the forum may also suffer the same fate?

These are also pretty serious allegations to just fling around. @ncondamove hasn't done anything that favors me, you just keep bitching at him. I even pm'd him after he replied to the thread and he never messaged me back. You have to realize that the forum is attended by people like me that are reading the forum to figure out where to get stuff, how not to get scammed, all this shit. These are known as "buyers". You pay for advertising presumably for this reason. If arbitrators don't at least address buyers in disputes and make sure they are being heard it will eliminate any faith buyers may have in an arbitration scenario and become a pointless nothing.

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

If you are in contact with @CrdPro you can tell him that I am also willing to accept a resolution where you pay the full amount $500 directly to him. You seem to know him well from your claims here and you have an obvious distaste for me, so in the interest of a potential resolution perhaps it's easier for you to send the admin money instead of me. Once you do that, if @CrdPro has the time to read all this bullshit and finds that I have any merit in this complaint, I would accept entrance to the current crdpro class in lieu of a refund. I said this as a joke at the beginning of the thread but if it's an actual possibility I would accept it and be happy. This is no doubt what I should have done with the money in the first place.

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

@ncondamove @BANKMAN.BIZ are we waiting on anything here?

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

Maybe I'm blind as fuck, but I can't see any logs here about what you agreed on before the deal. Although this is the main point! So if all the terms of the deal that the plaintiff writes about were not agreed upon, can there be any claims? In this case, it's the plaintiff's mistake. So that it doesn't happen again, everything needs to be clarified before the deal. It's better to do through the Escrow service.

I have been discussing with @Fixxx who seems to be @BANKMAN.BIZ chosen representative. Seems like a reasonable guy who has donated his time to hearing me out and providing his opinion. I would be willing to accept his decision in this arbitration in lieu of @ncondamove recommendation as there is a claim from @BANKMAN.BIZ that @ncondamove is partial and has some conflict.

 

[Fixxx]

Listen, guys!
I'm tired of this shit...
Deal it without me

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

@BANKMAN.BIZ it seems that your mate has decided not to make a decision here. Are you able to comply with @ncondamove recommendation to discuss a refund with me?

 

[Fixxx]

@BANKMAN.BIZ it seems that your mate has decided not to make a decision here. Are you able to comply with @ncondamove recommendation to discuss a refund with me?

What decision are you talking about? I'm not a judge or moderaror to make any decisions!
Stop writing this bullshit and leave me alone until you create more problems for yourself...

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

What decision are you talking about? I'm not a judge or moderaror to make any decisions!
Stop writing this bullshit and leave me alone until you create more problems for yourself...

keyboard threat, classic. if you don't want to be involved keep your mouth shut xD

 

[Fixxx]

He texted me first (!!!), fucked my head all evening, asked me to make an arbitration decision (WTF) and now tells me to shut my mouth! I don't think he will last long on the forum with such behavior...

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

He texted me first (!!!), fucked my head all evening, asked me to make an arbitration decision (WTF) and now tells me to shut my mouth! I don't think he will last long on the forum with such behavior...

You threatened me bud. I'm not telling you to do anything. I said if you don't want to be involved keep your mouth shut. It's advice, like you telling me I should have used escrow. Let me know if I'm still confusing you. Or just say nothing and I'm sure no one will bother you again

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

@BANKMAN.BIZ resolve with member on refund amount or face ban!

Have we fulfilled the requirements to have this scammer banned yet?

 

[niledok]

Have we fulfilled the requirements to have this scammer banned yet?

You paid 500 fucking bucks for a Square and netspend account? Sorry but, you deserve to be Scammed or ripped off although i am not implying that the seller did (only judge can say that). Who the fuck pays for square or netspend. You can get like a no Block BofA with a debit card, real phone number with adding it to credit report and Square account and some more shit for that kind of money. or Even bofa with its merchant account that never gets terminated. Even a notarized USPS form for a Mailbox.

You're in the wrong business my friend.

I need to become a seller. I'll make shitload of money.

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

You paid 500 fucking bucks for a Square and netspend account? Sorry but, you deserve to be Scammed or ripped off although i am not implying that the seller did (only judge can say that). Who the fuck pays for square or netspend. You can get like a no Block BofA with a debit card, real phone number with adding it to credit report and Square account and some more shit for that kind of money. or Even bofa with its merchant account that never gets terminated. Even a notarized USPS form for a Mailbox.

You're in the wrong business my friend.

I need to become a seller. I'll make shitload of money.

thanks for this. probably thoughts you could have had on your own though I'm not sure it adds much to the debate

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

Update here in response to the arbitration @BANKMAN.BIZ has updated his arbitration / terms of service accordingly:

that's right, I'm not nigger but I still piss on you @s3ph1r0thXx, that's proper video to describe how our arbitration process goes

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

if you have it give me back it. I will refund you 70% and we close it. If only square is in same standing like it was before, if something doesn't work then we won't discuss it.

Write me on telegram @bank_man if you are blocked tell me what's your username I will unblock you

@BANKMAN.BIZ offered 70% refund then changed his mind tried to give me credit in his shop. The battle continues.

 

[CrdPro]

@s3ph1r0thXx
I need to see proofs of non-working material from your side. This should have been provided from the beginning of the claim

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

@s3ph1r0thXx
I need to see proofs of non-working material from your side. This should have been provided from the beginning of the claim

all information provided in DM for verification.

 

[s3ph1r0thXx]

all proof provided to admin and no response or resolution. forum is full of fake russians and scammers.